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NO MORE POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT TAKEN CARE OF!!- Files being posted on another forum

rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
edited January 2010 in General
Hi I'm not sure how others feel but I was not too happy to see files from the gallery posted on a forum without anyone trying obtain permission in doing so, Many know my files and now I happen to get a email from the other forum be cause I happen to belong to that one too but have never posted to but will now . I'm I wrong or what I thought these files were for personal use. Sorry for the rant, but just not ok with me for others to posting file they have not gotten permission.
Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/

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  • stackyscrapsstackyscraps Member Posts: 1,084
    edited January 2010
    What forum? And I agree with you, that is not ok without permission, I want to see if mine are there, and do they reference you at least and give you credit?!
  • Beanie_ID62Beanie_ID62 Member Posts: 3,820
    what forum is it I want to see if mine are over there as well
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  • K_leeK_lee Member Posts: 6,416
    You have a right to rant, they should get permission, and shouldn't be sharing your files or those on the gallery, if someone wants them they should join MTC and get them for themselves......I also thought they were for personal use. Were they MTC files or SVG? Just curious....
    K_lee's Krafting Niche'
  • iggyloveriggylover Moderator Posts: 11,513
    Sounds like a blanket statement as you enter the gallery saying, "These files are for the personal use of MTC members...yada yada..." needs to be put up. You have all worked very hard on your designs and been sooo willing to share them with us all. I hope this doesn't discourage you.
    Jeanette
    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke Jeanette in Orange County, CA Love my Italian Greyhound --> I.G.--> iggy Own a Create: Krikee, getting used to a Black Cat Cougar: Bagheera
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    edited January 2010
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/makethecut/ I have never seen this person even on here is one of the reasons that made me mad.
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • grandmamichelfgrandmamichelf Member Posts: 372
    I belong to that group but I didn't know they were doing that. That's not nice.
    I always feel like somebody's watching me. Is it YOU?
  • lamblamb Member Posts: 302
    rachellann ... you have every right to be annoyed .... they shouldnt be sharing your files or anyones without permission
  • blingblingblingbling Member Posts: 38
    Oooooohhh....not good!
  • Beanie_ID62Beanie_ID62 Member Posts: 3,820
    I am on that group also but did not relize they were doing that
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  • iggyloveriggylover Moderator Posts: 11,513
    edited January 2010
    Here is the post with the original person who set up the yahoo forum:
    http://make-the-cut.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=281

    Contact her, email is at the bottom of the thread, to voice your concerns / complaints.
    Hope this helps.
    Jeanette
    Post edited by iggylover on
    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke Jeanette in Orange County, CA Love my Italian Greyhound --> I.G.--> iggy Own a Create: Krikee, getting used to a Black Cat Cougar: Bagheera
  • JodyJody Member Posts: 59
    ok, this is probably dumb, but what gallery are you talking about? I can't seem to finds a "gallery" here?!
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    The galley is in the Mrc Program under custom shapes ,there is a make the cut logo click it it will lead you to the gallery
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • JodyJody Member Posts: 59
    OH!!! lol Here I have been searching all over this site... thats funny. I have been to that gallery. Its been a long day. ugh
  • CarrieCarrie Member Posts: 1,169
    Rachellann did a few MTC files for me, and how could someone take them and post it without felling guilty, I sure in the H*** would feel guilty, and I am glad I didn't have thoughts like that.
    image+++MTC fan since December 2009+++~~~Own a Silhouette Cameo~~~ ****MTC is the best PROGRAM Ever!!!**** 1-22-14 Bought PCS! ****A fan of Andy the Amazing Designer, and Ann helping him to get started****
  • Rhoda JayneRhoda Jayne Member Posts: 1,640
    Rachellann,
    It's a copyright violation for someone to share your work without your permission. I'm sure Chris would remove any files of yours if she is informed of it.
    I'm on that list too & I thought that copyrighted files were not going to be posted.
    http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
    This applies to your work as well.
    Rhoda
  • K_leeK_lee Member Posts: 6,416
    Sad they say they can just come in an get the files, Andy needs to fix that for sure, they should have to be a member! And then they asked to have it changed to a SVG to boot........sorry this happened to you Rachell, you have been so giving of your talent to all of us and it's muchly appreciated.......I would shoot her......an email.......and tell her to remove it.....and give her a copy of Rhoda's link......
    K_lee's Krafting Niche'
  • dandeliondandelion Member Posts: 55
    I'm sorry this happened to you! Nobody should be messing with your work without your permission.
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    this is who is posting over there it's the only thing I could find she keeps every thing private so you can't see wh she is.( craftluv45 )
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • The Biscuit ScrapsThe Biscuit Scraps Member Posts: 334
    I saw your post there, Rachel....good for YOU!!
  • mom6hsrmom6hsr Member Posts: 277
    hi,
    I have wanted the gallery to be for only those of use who have bought mtc from the beginning. You have put a lot of work into the designs in there and that is not fair to you. I hope this changes.
    ok, I am not following this, are the mtc files or svgs being shared, you are speaking of? I guess I keep thinkging only mtc files go into gallery, but svgs do to? maybe that should be changed to only mtc files in the gallery??? would that help?
    I'm off to bed, too tired after working the past 3 days.
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    If you send the svgs to the gallery they are there.
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    here is what is posted by chris aperently because andy does not have any body agree to terms of use before downloading a file thatit is for personal use only.any how here is what she posted and by the way I never sign up for grab bag or give aways on any sites.



    Bear with me. Which files are they here at the group first and I can take them down if you’d like.



    And also I don’t use the gallery because I post my offerings at my forum. I did not see an agree to terms of use that you have to click or accept when uploading or downloading or using the gallery then I would say there probably isn’t any guidelines or terms of use that shows for those files. It is probably something Andy should put in place if there is not such an agreement before use. I know there probably is for the program when purchased, but I can guarantee that it doesn’t cover the personal works uploaded to the gallery by individuals. I would recommend anyone uploading put a byline in the description that says it is for personal use only and downloading is an agreement of those terms.



    I am not saying it is right by any means and don’t feel someone else’s work should be taken and reuploaded where others wish to. It is unfortunate but does happen. I know first hand that it happens. And it can be very frustrating.



    And on this note… the grab bag that is being offered for the drawing this weekend has terms of use for every file in it and they are for your personal use and not to be uploaded to the gallery of MTC. If you cannot abide by this personal use only TOUs. Please take your name out of the drawing for the grab bag. Thank you!



    Enjoy!

    Chris

    http://visualdesignsbychris.blogspot.com



    www.visualdesignsbychris.com
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • AndyAndy Administrator Posts: 4,579
    I don't know if there is much I can do about this... When you submit the content, you are submitting it without prejudice on how it will be used -- it goes into the public domain when it goes on to the gallery.

    On the other hand, in order for someone to download and save as an SVG, it has to be a person who has registered. People using Make The Cut in demo mode can't export as SVG... so this shouldn't be a huge problem (unless they are posting MTC files)

    But, I wouldn't worry about it... Chris is a very understanding person and I am sure this will get resolved!
    I don't often test my code... But when I do, I do it in production.
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    They are posting MTC files.
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • AndyAndy Administrator Posts: 4,579
    oh.. then that's not good.
    I don't often test my code... But when I do, I do it in production.
  • AndyAndy Administrator Posts: 4,579
    well, if you think about it -- MTC files can only be used by registered users... so it's just like being posted on the gallery....
    I don't often test my code... But when I do, I do it in production.
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    Yes these are registered users, and I think if they were to ask us here who made the file and out of common curtisy ask if they can post it to another site it would have been more polite thing to do. chris said she would resovle it, and I'll wait to see what happens, by nature I usally am a very easy going and giving person, I really didn't mean to raise such a stink just rubbed me the wrong way tonight.
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • LaserBeamLaserBeam Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2010
    I brought this issue up on another thread on copyright issues. Unauthorized distribution someone else's work is piracy--whether it's for free or for sale.

    rachelann, I know EXACTLY how you feel as someone STOLE an image of mine from my blog. She went as far as to put her watermark on top of mine and post it to her blog that she made it. I doubt I would have felt more violated had a gun-toting thug stolen my purse and kidnapped my child (seriously--that's only a SLIGHT exaggeration).

    There are images within the Make the Cut gallery that are of licensed characters and images converted from rubber stamp manufacturers. These are also copyright violations, and really should be assessed--for everyone's protection.

    To put things further into perspective: I'm guessing the majority of MTC users AREN'T designers, and therefore don't feel the sting of potential copyright violations. However, you can't tell me that those who have paid their hard-earned money to legitimatly purchase and use this (freakin' awesome, wa-hoo FABULOUS) software wouldn't be totally PO'd to find that it was being distributed ILLEGALLY for FREE on the internet. I gaurantee they would do what they could to make sure an operation such as that would be shut down as quickly as possible. Why? Because it's not right! It's THEFT. Doggone it, you paid for it, and you don't want anybody "cheating" to get a copy of it.

    Trust me, you feel totally different about something like this when you have a personal stake in it happening--whether it's theft of tangible property or artistic or intellectual endeavors.

    Also, Chris' MTC Policies (under Files/MTC Group Policies) specifically state: "Copyrighted files are not to be posted, questioned or messed with."

    Check out the Berne Copyright convention information in the article Rhonda Jayne posted earlier (http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html): "The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise"
  • grandmamichelfgrandmamichelf Member Posts: 372
    I guess what I figured was that when you purchase the software, you've purchased access to the MTC gallery. However it should come with a statement that the files in the MTC gallery are for personal use only and not to be distributed elsewhere, including forums, etc. Andy, you lose money if those same files are given freely to people using SCAL2 if I'm not mistaken. Or maybe I am mistaken, but who wants to take the chance?

    I quit uploading stuff to a forum I belonged to because someone stole one of my layouts to use on a display in an online store in China. Now go figure that one out! LOL, kinda freaked me out to google my son's name and find it online in a Chinese store. Strange too!

    I think you did the right thing, rachellann, by contacting Chris. She is a nice person. Maybe we just need a disclaimer like all the people who do digital stamps and stuff like that.
    I always feel like somebody's watching me. Is it YOU?
  • shakyshaky Member Posts: 77
    1st I didn't know we had a gallery there but thank you for leading me to it :)
    and 2nd I just uploaded my very first project there yayy

    I'm very sorry you are hurt and mad for someone else posting your work somewhere else without asking you. I just see it as if you post something on the internet without any warning/copyrights/watermarks people would think it is ok to use it since you are sharing it. That's just my .02c
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    If there was a way to include the copy right with these than I would as i do have My own that I applied for and have had for over a year. Really if I wanted them wo be posted other than the gallery here I would Do that in a blog or just sell them myself, I was being nice in sharing my files I made with those here so they would have a more enjoyable time making scrapbook pages or cards for family and friends. I shut down a blog that I was using just because their we some who think just because it's posted on the net they can take it and post to another site and claims as theirs. All file I make are covered under the copyright of creative commons, under the creative backbone name. whethwer I use it here or on a post. An even if I shre it it is common knowledge thru out the scrap that it is ment for personal use.
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • This problem arose on the Cricut MB with free file share as well and there is a free site to copyright your work.
    Here's the link: http://myfreecopyright.com/
    I haven't tried it yet with my free files yet.
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    edited February 2010
    I have the creative commons copy right done for my originals files. The others are from coloring pages. which many of the scrapbookers use here and other blog sites
    Post edited by rachellann_714 on
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • I am the owner of the Make The Cut group. I removed the email as soon as I found it. I thought it had been posted to the files.

    I just wanted to thank those who commented that they thought I would handle the situation. I appreciate your confidence in me.

    Also, I spoke with Andy about this issue. He sent me this link..
    http://www.make-the-cut.com/UploadTerms.aspx

    I have posted it at the Yahoo Group as well.

    I am sorry this happened to you Rachel. It has happened to me more then once and I just hope we have resolved the issue.
    Thank you

    Everyone have a great weekend!
    Enjoy!
    Chris
    www.visualdesignsbychris.com
    Happilly cutting since 2004.. Owner of too many digital cutters to list, Make the Cut Yahoo Group & Visual Designs by Chris. .. I design node by node, test cut by test cut with addicted passion. ~~~~~~ I can be found in the VDBC forum, Cutting away in my studio, On horse back, with my son & hubby, or even on facebook. Enjoy!
    "We make a living by what we do, but we make a life by what we give." - Winston Churchill
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    Thank you chris, I didn't mean to stir up trouble but usally they would post a link bac to where the got a file, Andy was so kind to set up the gallery for us and posting a link back to it so that others can come and see the many files we all are willing to share but would like for everyone to know and see that theye were given to the gallery to bring more people to the Make The Cut program gallery.
    Rachellann
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • craftydivacraftydiva Member Posts: 265
    Seems I missed out on the worst of it, so sorry this happened to you Rachellann, aside from the other stresses life has thrown your way, this is something that you did not need, so glad to see that it seems to be wrapped up now, hopefully satisfactory....
    ((((big hugs))))
  • cre8tveldycre8tveldy Member Posts: 8
    I'm coming very late to this dscussion, but as I understand it, some of the files in question are of Disney, Precious Moments, etc. If this is the case, no matter what the policies are on this forum, those files can NOT be posted here. Copyrighted images are the property of the ORIGINAL creator, and they cannot be posted IN ANY FORMAT on ANY public forum. The fact that people are downloading them and posting them to another forum is the secondary concern. Posting them AT ALL is ILLEGAL. Rachellan, I strongly encourage you to take these files off of anypalce that you have them posted for download. I have some experience with copyright. In fact, I have a design (in another medium) for which I hold a formal copyright, filed with the US Copyright office.

    ANDY, if you're listening, you should not be allowing any licensed images to b be posted on the forum. It is extrem ely illegal and could get this whole forum shut down and it could cost you a huge fine. I don't think any of use want that to happen, because then you would more than likely lose your MTC business and we would beb out of luck for yoru future products!

    I can't stress this enough...IT IS NOT OK TO POST LICENSES IMAGES IN ANY FORMAT IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM. IT IS ILLEGAL!
  • SandyWSandyW Member Posts: 1,289
    cre8tveldy (or anyone else for that matter),

    Question here: .....(just trying to get informed here)....so tell me how can we use the "fonts" for instance I have downloaded the "Carebears" font and am using it....Carebears, I am sure is 100% trademarked.

    So how can these online sites share these fonts for others to use? How can these online sites share coloring pages of Precious Moments, Carebears, Super Heroes, etc for download when they truly are not the original creators either?

    So with those questions asked, isn't "everyone" (other than Disney, etc-truly the creators) that ever downloads/copies an image really "lifting"-to put it mildly" the images to create their creations.

    Please don't "flame" just trying to understand how these online sites can get away with it.

    And PS....placing a "watermark" on an image doesn't actually protect it either....If someone wants the image, it can be "lifted" and cleaned in a simple program such as "Paint", which is on most every computer.

    So my thought is if you don't really want someone to have it (or take it as their own-when it is yours) don't put it on the internet. I love the fact that we have the internet, but it unfortunately is an easy open door to these things happening all of the time.

    Being on other forums as well, I read these kind of upsets all of the time.
    Sandy W. (formerly "BugHappyGrams") Charlotte, NC http://thehobbylady.blogspot.com/
  • rachellann_714rachellann_714 Member Posts: 848
    edited February 2010
    cre8tveldy
    Welcome
    i HAVE ASKED ANDY TO REMOVE MY FILES FROM THE GALLERY HIS RESPONSE IS HE IS GOING TO MAKE IT SO WE CAN REMOVE THEM UNTIL THIS IS DONE THEY ARE THERE.
    Post edited by rachellann_714 on
    Owner of a 24" Silver Bullet Professional Series, 18" Black cat Cougar, uscutters MH871, Bosskut gazelle. I can help with start up.  for the Cougar and Lynx and the Silver Bullet Professional Series. http://thatsscrapinc.com/ http://thymegraphics.co.uk/
  • cre8tveldycre8tveldy Member Posts: 8
    Rachellan,

    First of all, I did not sign up just to address this issue. Here I am again. :) However, when treated like this on my vwery first post, when all I did was post something that is TRUE and LEGAL, well, maybe I won't stay after all.

    I haven't purchased MTC yet. I downloaded the trial version and joined a few groups to see what others were saying about it before I bought since I already have both Design Studio and SCAL. When I found all the licensed images withiin the software, I was terribly concerned because, if Andy gets caught allowing this, he could beb sued by every single one of those companies, and that would be the end of Andy and MTC for all of us. Believe me, those companies WILL pursue it.

    BugHappyGrams, just because those images are all over the net doesn't mean it's OK or legal.
    Yes, they are out there, and yes you can download them and "get away" with using them , and for the most part, the companies won't care if you do that because you're using them for personal use. For someone to SELL them, whether alone of as part of a program like MTC, that's a whole different story.

    Yes, watermarks can be removed. I know, because I know how to put them there, and I know quite a bit about Photoshop. And yes, when you put them on the web you take a ceratin amount of risk when you "share" them online. But the law says it is still yours - PERIOD. If someone chooses to take it and remove my watermark and use it, that doesn't make it any less legal. Sort of like stealing a car and filing the serial numbers . It's still stolen.

    Now, I'm "Scooting" on out for now and probably won't be back today. I have a busy life with other things to do. If you don't want someone here who knows a little about the law and copyright protection and who is hoping this gets resolved so I can, in good conscience, buy MTC, then by all means tell me, but there is no need to be ugly or sarcastic about it.

    Have a great day!
  • cre8tveldycre8tveldy Member Posts: 8
    I forgot to add, you can NOT copyright something that uses an image that is already copyrighted. Therefore, claiming that you have a copyright on a MTC file that uses a licensed image such as Disney or Precious Moments is NOT valid or legal.
  • digicrafterdigicrafter Member Posts: 569
    Why don't you just leave her alone aperently you have nothing better to than to harass someone.
  • cre8tveldycre8tveldy Member Posts: 8
    I beg to differ, but I didn't address my initial comment to anyone in particular. If anyone was harrassing, it was not me, and I didn't make the sarcastic remark. I was merely pointing out the law, which could shut Andy down if it's broken before his product is even really off the ground. I would have thought those of you who love this product would have appreciated that.
  • digicrafterdigicrafter Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2010
    if you have read any of the other posts you would know that she has requested andy to remove her files so far they are still there along with many of the others. what else do you expect any body to think because this is the only post you have came to and responded to no others, so what do you expect her to think that you came over from the yahoo group after she asked that a file be removed that she posted in the gallery and out of common curtisty the poster over there should of done a link back to the gallery instead of putting it in another site to download how fair was that.
    This I feel has gone on long enough we have several here who have posted the copt right law link.
    feel free to browse the forum but keep bring this back to the top is just getting a little old.
    Her email has been posted for all to see and she has gotten some nasty emails. those who sent them to her need to grow up.
    Post edited by digicrafter on
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