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importing template into MTC

MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
edited February 1 in Help for Popup Card Studio
I am just getting back into PCS and MTC after a two year break.  I have forgotten so much.   It upsets me so much that I have forgotten all of this since  I had made so much progress. I know I asked the question in the past that I am about to ask now, but I have searched this forum for it and cannot find it.  So here it goes again:  I want to import into MTC a template for a popup card that is in the JPG format.  The file is attached.    I vaguely remember having to use pixel trace to bring in JPG files, but the I also remember something about having to convert to "vector files" (???) before importing to get the cut lines to show up.    Anyway, I am not sure how to get the cut lines to be cut lines and the fold lines to be fold lines once I get it into MTC.  I am basically just unsure of the whole process now.  :(    Can someone give me suggestions?  I am hoping that something will jog my memory.  I do plan to go back and start from the beginning like I did before in my learning process, but this is driving me crazy. Thanks.

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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    @Meow - welcome back! No worries, you do not have to do anything other File => Import and choose the option for Pixel Trace. Now adjust the threshold value and click the button to apply the change until you see that you have all of the bits that you want. Typically for a jpg you can try a setting of around 230. If you go to the max of 250 (or it might be 255) and you get a rectangle shape you went too far.

    Try that. I am going to get the link to the User Manual which will greatly refresh your mind =)
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    Chapter 3 I believe is where the info for using MTC starts:

    http://www.iloveknk.com/0um/KNKZing/KNKZingwithMTCUserManual.pdf
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    Oh I just looked at your file. It will not make a good cutting file. Where did you get it? It looks like it came from PCS, but you want to find the PCS and get your file as SVG from there.
  • MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
    @Liz_A thank you so much.  I found the file on pinterest.
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    It is way too low of a quality to make a good cut file. You want SVG versions of files not low quality JPGs. :(
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 3,311
    edited February 1
    Line art can be tricky to trace even which high quality images as the line thicking is trace as a shape so this result on double lines
    poorer quality images can be quite difficult

    The other option is to manually trace which has been demonstrated during a webinar where andy manually traces a popup of a house I think ?
    I tried to find it not luck yet

    But i found this one starts at about 1.10




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  • MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
    edited February 2
    @Crazy_Mr_Zing thank you so much.  When you said "manually traced" that jogged my memory.  I think he did one sometime in 2016 which was just before I had to quit doing PCS for awhile.
  • CharoCharo Member Posts: 686
    @Meow am glad to see you back.  I just found a 1/29/2013 webinar where Brian was tracing a manually-cut web file.  He is so good at that.  I have done a lot of converting such things by making a copy, adding lines to make a closed file, then using eraser to separate the shapes so I can make my own PCS file.  It isn't quick but I end up with a shapes file that way.
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  • MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
    @Charo thank you. Thank you for the the info on that video.  I remember sometime in 2016 Brian imported a complex popup template into MTC and demonstrated how he hand traced it and talked about how he made a popup card from it.  I am not sure which recording it was.  I wish that there was an index for the 2015-2016 webinars.
  • leslie6111leslie6111 Member Posts: 2,366
    edited February 2
    I do not have PCs with me - but if I Remember right Andy reversed engineered that Popupcard card and you might even find it in the PCs gallery. To reverse engineer, you scan it into MTC, close the shapes so they can be put on different z value (planes) in PCs.
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 3,311
    I thought the same as Leslie I thought I seen this one before had a look in the Gallery PCS but didn't find it
    I Use Zing Air, Make The Cut - Pop Card Studio, WinXP- Win7 -Win10
    Paper Modellers I Revere Marc Hagan-Guirey ----- Yoshinobu Miyamoto ----- Peter Dahmen
    Gallery ID #26944 ----- Link to My Cloud Have a Look your Welcome to Make Use of the Files
  • CharoCharo Member Posts: 686
    I remember Andy's video too.  He was drawing lines, curving them this way and that way so fast I could never imagine being able to do that.  I gave it a try this morning; got it done but it took hours.  I think I should stop looking at hand-drawn popups because I love so many of them and they are HARD.  Here is the photo I copied and the files, done the reverse engineered way [email protected] 6111said.   
     
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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    @Charo - kudos to you! You have way more patience than I do, LOL!
  • MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
    @Charo ; Thank you.  I have looked and looked for that webinar when Andy talked about how he traced a template like you vases.  I cannot find it.  Thank you so much for sharing those files.   I want to learn to hand trace them.  I found a cool video on youtube that talks in detail about how to hand trace using the bezier tool in MTC.  
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    @Meow - there are likely several webinars where Bryan hand traced items, he was very adept at it as well =). Miss seeing both of them work!
  • MeowMeow Member Posts: 584
    @Liz_A what happened to Bryan and Andy?  I have been off the forums for awhile and I noticed the webinars just stopped in April of 2016.  
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 3,311
    @charo Looks good
    Sometime if the print is clear you can get away with tracing then performing some node surgery and choosing to keep only one side of the line
    You can also try using the thin line function but I never had much success with that

    Another method is use  image software to fill the shapes with black color and then trace the filled image

    often these patterns are poorly scanned from old books which are also poorly printed and or the image quality has been reduced for the internet  so no method is very successful

    I guess one good think is once you have the shape you can use to ensure the mechanics of the popup work


    I Use Zing Air, Make The Cut - Pop Card Studio, WinXP- Win7 -Win10
    Paper Modellers I Revere Marc Hagan-Guirey ----- Yoshinobu Miyamoto ----- Peter Dahmen
    Gallery ID #26944 ----- Link to My Cloud Have a Look your Welcome to Make Use of the Files
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,952
    @Meow - Bryan is still in the background managing the Support tickets, and once in awhile we see an answer he has posted. Andy hasn't logged in as himself for over a year. The webinars stopped - this is was a significant monthly cost to Andy, and I know that sales were dropping for MTC and PCS, so understandable why that happened. With no updates and no plugins for new cutters coming on stream, MTC is no longer a first choice product. SCAL is taking it's place in that regard, and is constantly being updated. Sad to say, but sometimes that truth hurts.
  • CharoCharo Member Posts: 686
    @Crazy_Mr_Zing ; you always think of such interesting ways to do things.  Now I am wondering about your idea of using image software to fill the shapes with black.  What kind of image software do you mean?  The ability to separate the shapes would certainly help tracing.
    I have just cleaned some images up a bit enough to cut in MTC but I really miss having the shapes file.  So I much prefer getting nice clean images that I can take to PCS and make my own file.
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  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 3,311
    Most image software has a flood fill usually pain bucket
    I guess not so much used on popups design as there are usually few closed shapes as the fold line are often a dashed line therefore flood fill would not just fill the internal of the shape. I idea is to get the line and fill colour the same so you have a solid color to trace the outline
    Often if the image is poor quality using the idea as inspiration using some other good quality image to trace  rather than copying the pattern directly is less time consuming
    I Use Zing Air, Make The Cut - Pop Card Studio, WinXP- Win7 -Win10
    Paper Modellers I Revere Marc Hagan-Guirey ----- Yoshinobu Miyamoto ----- Peter Dahmen
    Gallery ID #26944 ----- Link to My Cloud Have a Look your Welcome to Make Use of the Files
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