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Need a new machine...WHICH ONE?

susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
A friend is buying the family a new cutting machine for Christmas and needs to know which one, in the $300-ish range.  We will need a new MTC to go with it.  I know the info is on here but don't know where and have no time to research as he wants to purchase it on Black Friday sales if possible...Help????  (NOT CRICUT)

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  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    PS...I will only have internet for today before we go back offgrid

  • SandyMcCSandyMcC Member Posts: 7,135
    There is no "new MTC" to work with the latest cutters.  So, you'll need to switch to SCAL or use whatever program comes with the new cutter. 

    As far as which cutter to buy... it depends on what materials you cut and what additional applications you need, like PNC, scoring, engraving, etc. 
    Sandy McCauley
    Cutting with KNK Force, Maxx Air, Zing Orbit
    Need help with your KNK? Visit this link: http://knkusa.com/contact/
    Over 90 free MTC videos: http://www.iloveknk.com/support/mtc-support/
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  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    No MTC??  Guess I HAVE been out of the loop too long :(  Sorry everyone, but what happened?  If there's a past posting for me to read let me know :( :(

  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,561
    edited November 22
    @susanwitsend - MTC still exists, there is no NEW version, so likely what you have is the same as what is available.

    In your price range, the Silhouette cutters would fit the pocket book.
  • MeFlickMeFlick Member Posts: 9,038
    edited November 22
    "MTC still exists, there is no NEW version, so likely what you have is the same as what is available."

    Unless you have a really old version of MTC because you were using it with the Old Circuits and never updated your MTC.  Then you may not have the same as what is presently  available. The Last MTC update was 4.6.1 on a Mac 4.6.2 on a PC. However, that release was released several years ago now and there has been no further updates. The may thing that means is that there have been no updates or new plugins for newer cutters.  MTC its self still exists, still does great things, and can export out to an SVG file to import into other programs but it may not work directly with one of the newer cutters.  As to what happened - nobody here has heard anything "officially".  It appears that Andy got another job and simply has not updated MTC in years. The forum is still here and Support Tickets are answered.
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  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    If we could come up with more funds, should we be looking at the Zing?  We are not overly computer literate and I've heard the learning curve is steep.  But we do want  something we can grow into. We really want a machine that does lacy, fragile cuts without spending hours taking off bits and pieces.  One that will cut fine fonts.  We like Bazzil cardstock, would like to cut fabric, but are not cutting chipboard. Embossing and drawing would be very nice, but optional. Want cuts that are clean and don't tear when cutting.  It must be able to cut svgs and other files.  We DO have the old MTC, cutting with a Cricut but have lost it due to too many computer changes.  If we can't come up with more money, what machine will do the fine stuff I mentioned?  My Cricut never did.
  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    What is the Silver Bullet?
  • SandyMcCSandyMcC Member Posts: 7,135
    The Zing Orbit handles detailed cutting very well... it has an extremely high resolution.  That being said, the issue with little pieces being difficult to separate is a cutting issue versus a cutter issue.  You need your cardstock stuck down really well and you need the settings optimized so that the blade isn't cutting into the mat which can then cause the cardstock to be pulled away from the adhesive when the blade raises up to go to the next little shape. 

    If you're not doing Print and Cut applications, then you can cut to the Zing Orbit from MTC. Otherwise you will need Sure Cuts A Lot which you can buy at a discounted price when buying the ZIng Orbit.

    KNK USA is offering a free 5-pack of blades with the purchase of a ZO this weekend. That's is worth $40. 
    Sandy McCauley
    Cutting with KNK Force, Maxx Air, Zing Orbit
    Need help with your KNK? Visit this link: http://knkusa.com/contact/
    Over 90 free MTC videos: http://www.iloveknk.com/support/mtc-support/
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  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    So, are people moving away from MTC as a cutting software?
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,561
    @susanwitsend - I agree with Sandy, if you upped your budget then I would also recommend the Zing Orbit. For your paper mentions, I have cut different brands of Bazzil paper, some of it plays nicely and others not so nicely with those very fine detailed cuts. Just so you know, Bazzil is a fibrous paper, and in humid conditions it may be challenging, but there are ways to work around that.

    MTC is not being actively supported by its developer. SCAL supports more cutters and supports the newest versions of cutters or new models coming on stream. MTC doesn't have that support. However, from a design perspective, MTC is an excellent choice, if you didn't mind a bit of a work around for a cutter that is not supported. I have both, I still prefer MTC to design. Not sure when that may change...I got a very early version of SCAL before MTC was even around, and I didn't like it then, still don't really care for the GUI of it. But that is me, others have transitioned nicely.
  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    what is the difference between the two zings?

  • SandyMcCSandyMcC Member Posts: 7,135
    The Zing Air is the older model and the Zing Orbit is new one. For a side-by-side comparison, have a look at the chart here:

    http://www.iloveknk.com/wp-content/uploads/Info/KNKComparison2.pdf

    The Zing Air is fully functional with both MTC and SCAL whereas, as I mentioned earlier, the Zing Orbit will cut from MTC but for PNC applications and to connect via Wi-Fi you'll need to use SCAL. 

    Please post more questions if you have them. Happy to answer.  :) 

    Sandy McCauley
    Cutting with KNK Force, Maxx Air, Zing Orbit
    Need help with your KNK? Visit this link: http://knkusa.com/contact/
    Over 90 free MTC videos: http://www.iloveknk.com/support/mtc-support/
    Latest KNK / MTC User Manuals: http://www.iloveknk.com/Support/user-manuals/
  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    Thanks Sandy, for being willing to work with me :)  So it says limited MTC...what does that mean?  Do I have to have internet to use SCAL?  We are off-grid...no internet.
  • SandyMcCSandyMcC Member Posts: 7,135
    In order to use MTC you have to connect via the USB cable versus being to connect wirelessly.  And, as I mentioned earlier, you cannot do a Print and Cut using the optic eye.   You only need the Internet in order to download SCAL and future updates.  But I can burn and send you a CD or a flash drive, as needed.  The only thing, however, is that periodically there could be an update to the firmware on the ZO itself.   But before the cutter leaves Florida, I can make sure the latest firmware has been installed. 
    Sandy McCauley
    Cutting with KNK Force, Maxx Air, Zing Orbit
    Need help with your KNK? Visit this link: http://knkusa.com/contact/
    Over 90 free MTC videos: http://www.iloveknk.com/support/mtc-support/
    Latest KNK / MTC User Manuals: http://www.iloveknk.com/Support/user-manuals/
  • hope9811hope9811 Member Posts: 175
    edited November 23
    So while on this topic, what machines does the new SCAL work with? I have been trying to decide what to do also. Right now I still use a cricut and cameo with MTC with no issues. I love MTC and jumped from SCAL years ago, but my computer is old and I will eventually have to update so..... why are people using SCAL at all anymore? I have a cameo also and have never used the software but I thought I could use SVG files in the Silhouette software. So.... if I use that software, would I need SCAL? Guess I'm out of the loop just enough to not know what program I need to be able to use my vast collection of SVG files once I have to update my computer which I was thinking of doing for Christmas.
  • MeFlickMeFlick Member Posts: 9,038
    hope9811 said:
    . . . what machines does the new SCAL work with?  . . . so..... why are people using SCAL at all anymore? I have a cameo also and have never used the software but I thought I could use SVG files in the Silhouette software. So.... if I use that software, would I need SCAL? Guess I'm out of the loop just enough to not know what program I need to be able to use my vast collection of SVG files once I have to update my computer which I was thinking of doing for Christmas.
    First, you can check Craftedge's home site to get a full list of cutters that SCAL supports. The developer of SCAL has continued to update SCAL and add support for most of the new cutters that have been introduced in the past few years.  MTC has not. Besides adding cutters, he has also added new features and tools as needed and has to the larger degree gotten most of the features MTC had that SCAL did not originally have and has added some in that MTC did not and has not been updated to add in.  There has been plenty of discussions on here over the past several years as to what those are so I won't rehash it here but simply note that it should be found by searching the forum.  I also think SandyMcC did an article on her blog about the similarities and differences between the two programs.

    I am not sure if you mean so why are people using SCAL anymore (which is what you said) or if you meant, why are people stilling using MTC anymore if it hasn't been updated in so long.  First, MTC is still a great program "as is" - it will do what most people want - especially if they still have a cutter that still works with it - people don't like change for the most part and why change what works for them.  Plus, even if you have another cutter that doesn't work with MTC - most of the programs can import SVG files and MTC can export them out so you can still do your design work in MTC and then export to SVG and import into another program for cutting.

    You are correct, the Silhouette program(s) (even their free program) will allow a user to IMPORT an SVG file but you have to have their Business one to EXPORT out I believe. So no, if all you want to do is cut to a Cameo and import SVG files you don't need SCAL to do that with.  The problem with Silhouette and their programs and cutters is that they try to lock you into their program and files just like PC did with their cutters.  Many people do not want to be locked into that so they look at other programs and cutters. 

    As far as updating your computer, MTC presently works with all computer configurations out there including new PCs with Windows 10.  There was an issue with some hi-res monitors but i think that was fixed by a Windows update release.  That too has been discussed here several times so I won't rehash all of that here either.  The main thing to understand is that if you get a new cutter, MTC may not have an updated plugin to work correctly with that cutter - when that occurs - you may be forced to learn a new program which is why many people are pointing out the issue with MTC not being updated with cutter plugins and that SCAL is.
    Go Vols!
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  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    Sandy, I have the last version of MTC that worked with a Cricut (if I can get it off this old, fritzy computer!).  Assuming I go with SCAL, what machines would work with what I have for MTC?  I will most likely switch to SCAL but it will be a slow process (I'm a slow learner when it comes to tech! But eldest daughter will see that I do :)) and I want to be able to cut in the meantime, so want a machine that will use both.  Sorry if these sound like dumb questions! :(  I am one of those mentioned above that doesn't ALWAYS like the challenge of change :)

  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    Feeling overwhelmed...we are simple folk.  We are only cutting paper.  We scrapbook, don't use much fuss, bling or fireworks.  We like pretty, not fashionable.  We want to cut delicate lacy designs out of paper...  We want to be able to use all the files and silhouettes we've gathered from many sources over the years. We want to be able to trace and use those wonderful things we find.  We don't want to be locked into anyone's world of "stuff", like Cricut...can't afford it!  We don't do "design" work...we make our images larger and smaller.  Sometimes we cut something off of an image.  We like to cut fonts cause we can't do calligraphy.  We have about $300 to spend.  We're off-grid-no internet unless we go to the library.    Willing, but reluctant and sad to leave MTC.  Would rather do both than give it up.  Someone just tell us which machine to get :(  Signed, Miserable in Minnesota
  • SandyMcCSandyMcC Member Posts: 7,135
    SCAL works with virtually any cutter that you'd be interested in buying, except for the ones that don't permit direct connection, like the Cricuts and the Brother Scan N Cut.  But even with those, SCAL has special exports to make sure the files will import into their programs and be the correct size.  

    It sounds like the Zing Orbit is not the best option because it costs way more than $300 and not having Internet access might be a problem down the line if there are any significant firmware updates.  Cricut requires Internet access for their software, so that's out. Actually a new Cameo 3 might also require Internet access to get their software.  I think we might need @juliefes to respond as she has a lot more knowledge about other cutter brands.
    Sandy McCauley
    Cutting with KNK Force, Maxx Air, Zing Orbit
    Need help with your KNK? Visit this link: http://knkusa.com/contact/
    Over 90 free MTC videos: http://www.iloveknk.com/support/mtc-support/
    Latest KNK / MTC User Manuals: http://www.iloveknk.com/Support/user-manuals/
  • susanwitsendsusanwitsend Member Posts: 70
    Julie? Do you have suggestions and input?
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,920
    edited November 25
    Find a new cutter in that price range that still works with MTC might be a challenge
    Cameo 2 ? But I'm not sure they are still available ?

    There were black friday bundles for the Cameo 3 But They are NOT compatible with Make the Cut so you would need to use the Silhouette studio Software . if you found that lacking some options would be Buying Sure Cuts a Lot or Configuring a way to bring files designed in Make the cut into Silhouette Studio for cutting

    Due to Cameo 3 not be compatible not being supported by MTV there be very little discussion on them here as to how the perform
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