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Is there any reason to keep wishing?

DarleneIDarleneI Member Posts: 2,742
edited May 2016 in Wishlist!
Is there any reason to keep wishing?
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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,632
    @DarleneI - for what? LOL the minute you give up on your dreams and wishes, well need I say more?? I believe you might be wishing for a plugin for your Vue. There are a bunch more of us waiting for a plugin for the Force. =)
  • juliefesjuliefes Member Posts: 4,857
    Yes, keep adding to the wish list. 
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,999
    I have know real knowledge of what involved with plugins
    I could imagine there be reluctance in creating any plugin without either a Direct request from the Manufacturer and or There Permission
    I wonder if MTC was open for it to work the other way eg Pazzles creating a plugin to suit MTC
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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,632
    @Crazy_Mr_Zing - not such a crazy thought!
  • SteveC00kSteveC00k Member Posts: 128
    I wish then I create. 
    :)
  • dedethomdedethom Member Posts: 32
    edited May 2016
    What about the absence of comments from the creator(s) of MTC about any new release or  new update on MTC or any intention to update the software at all. I understand that the updates are free forever and that no more money would come in their pocket but we all agreed (for what I am reading in the forum) to pay more to get a ''plus'' version of MTC. SCAL had been updated more than 5 times in the last year only and is still updated on a regular basis.

    Also, why KNK Usa on their web page, promotes MTC and don't even mention that SCAL is working from the box with the cutter (still need some update to use the full features, but is pretty good).

    My wishlist: please, at least, give us some feedbacks
  • anewanew Member Posts: 65
    edited May 2016
    Andy mentioned in a webinar about a month or two ago that he is working on an update.
    Annette in Utah, KNK Force and Silhouette Cameo
  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,632
    edited May 2016
    @dedethom - when was the last time you visited the KNKUSA products page? It has been there for a long while.



    Also, a long time ago, Bryan forbid Andy from making promises about when, if at all, a new update would be delivered. =) Bryan has also stated that MTC is not a dead in the water product.
  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2016
    Also, a long time ago, Bryan forbid Andy from making promises about when, if at all, a new update would be delivered. =) Bryan has also stated that MTC is not a dead in the water product.
    Liz_A, it's not about making promises... it's about doing nothing in more than 3 years. Darlenel had a very good point and only dedethom really understood her point. Have you followed what happened in the last 3 years? The best part is that MTC has the potential to be a great software again.
  • BobkatBobkat Member Posts: 788
    edited July 2016
    He may be working on an update now.  We have never gone without Webinars in the past.  It's been two months now - they may be avoiding going over old stuff when something new is right around the corner.  I just love it when Andy comes out with a new update and they have So may new things to teach us. SCAL does come with new versions but you still have to pretty much learn on your own.  MY cutter does not work with MTC but I can't do much with SCAL or ECAL. I work in MTC, save as .svg, import to ECAL so tat o can cut. That company does not have the support system tat we have.  When a new version comes out, that forum get very active again.  It's all good.
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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,632
    @Bobkat - I believe that Bryan explained that the webinar service (Go To Webinar) was too expensive to continue to pay for and they were going to look for an alternate platform to use that was less on a monthly contract or even free.

    @tuicarlos - I have been here since the very, very beginning of MTC. I am also a very big supporter and believer in MTC, but never, ever have I expected to have an update or upgrade or new version, especially for free. =) Love to have one, and have often said, give us a Pro version that costs lots, but if its not coming, my moaning about it isn't going to make an iota of difference.
  • KSGKSG Member Posts: 1,558
    Liz_A, I agree to forgo the free updates for our beloved MTC. But An Update Pro Or Other Wise That Cost Lots Will Push Many People Out Of The Game, or at least put them on a very long save the money time frame. Some of us do not have money within hands reach anytime of the day. Please I don't mean this to be pointed at anyone; but some just can't do high cost software. Just One Reason MTC Is So Pleasing To So Many... 
  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2016
    Liz_A, as the great philosopher Jack the Ripper said: Let's do this in parts!
    Generally, an update is about fixing some bugs, adjusting something and making some small improvements just to make sure that the software will work better. An upgrade is more about a new version... big changes in the structure and visual... some new tools... following the new technologies  etc. So, if you are a serious user, you should expect both from MTC and more often. In 3 years how many cellphones did you have? Have you got a new car? Are you using the same shoes and purse since there?
    On the other hand, I agree with you that MTC could offer a paid PRO (or Commercial) version for someone who needs more. However, as you know, others software are getting better and better and MTC is frozen for more than 3 years. So, depending on how much more it'll cost to us, some users will prefer stay with the standard version or find a better and less expensive software. Of course, in my opinion, your suggestion about price is really too high, more than the standard price.
    "I am really inclined to not believe that" most of us make a good money selling designs created on MTC software. I prefer believe that most of us users has a small production and only one cutter machine, and paying for a PRO version to have support for new cutters is more about an update. Free, of course.
    As a former Cobol programmer I have a big box in my garage (Tech Museum as I call) where I keep all the old stuff. I hope never put the MTC installation disk in that box.

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  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,999
    edited July 2016
    Is there any point arguing back and forth on whether the software should be updated infinitum. if you feel strongly that there a bug that really needs attending to really the only person the can give a response to if and when it would be attended to is the developer.
    As can only the developer say what their future plans for the software be  in regard to upgrade, new plugins etc
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  • Liz_ALiz_A Member Posts: 9,632
    @Crazy_Mr_Zing - you are right, there is no point to any of the arguments, until we hear something from the developer. It's a moot point.
  • CraftyGirlCraftyGirl Member Posts: 507
    Let's not forget, Andy is the father of young children and I'm sure they require some/most of the time he formerly used to work on MTC. :) I'd love to see an update/upgrade as well but will continue to work with what I have for now.
  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2016
    Crazy_Mr_Zing, you almost make me believe that this forum is about a dialogue between the neck and the guillotine but, let me answer your question with another question: Are you sure there's nothing that could have been fixed or improved in more than 3 years?
    CraftyGirl, everybody here has children... than everybody here is a survivor LOL!
    I know that Andy is a busy guy but I can't imagine Andy in trouble because his children. Oh yes, I'll continue using MTC too.
    Liz_A, you wrote "there is no point" and "It's a moot point". Okay, you are a little bit confuse. My point is pretty simple... we have a wishlist with 655 wishes and we have a software with more than 3 years without any update or upgrade and we have others software out there getting better and better. Is it a crime expecting some updates or upgrades? Is it a crime asking for them?
    If there is no point to any arguments, until we hear something from "the developer", as you wrote, why a wishlist?
    Liz_A, with all the respect, as we are in the Discussions/Wishlist forum you should avoid words like "right" and "wrong" and terms like "there is no point". Consider each comment here as an opinion instead.
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  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,999
    There no point discussing it with me I can not provide you with the resolution you feel your entitled to
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  • Di-liteDi-lite Member Posts: 3,233
    Well dreaming up, upgrades is easy - getting a creator of the software to play is another.  There's gold in them there hills so if Andy wants to make a killing he needs to create a plug in for the Force.  He might then find he is in the mood to do some of the upgrades on the wish list.  On the other hand he might be like me and be overwhelmed by all the options people want.  It's one thing to do something one enjoys and another one to feel pressured.  If the idea appeals to him he will do it but until then I think we have to accept the software as it is - I will continue to use MTC because it suits me and also it's trace facility hasn't got a rival so even if I was to get alternate software I would still use this particular facility.  Thank you Andy for a good program, I will wait and see what happens.
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  • efghausefghaus Member Posts: 1,078
    I still think MTC is great software!  I have expanded into sewing and just used the  pixel trace feature on my scanned copy of the applique pattern in a kit I recently purchased.  I wanted to enlarge and  split up the different pieces so I could print them out on separate sheets of Heat and Bond. now I'm  off to cut with my zing!
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  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    Di-lite, this is exactly what we are doing here, on this forum: getting the creator to release some updates or upgrades and I think that Andy is glad to hear suggestions and critics from us because we are really helping him to make his product better. Yes, a plugin for Zing Force should be a good update as well. Everyone here has some thing on mind to make "our" software better. I really don't know Andy but he is a software engineer so I presume, as a "binary guy", he doesn't need to use his heart to say yes or not. Not necessarily! He can handle each situation easily. If 655 "wishes" and after more than 3 years sounds like a pressure for you, sorry but it's time to get something done and the opposite situation should be a concern for Andy. I mean... nobody asking for nothing... just waiting for whatever "the developer" could give to us. What Bobkat wrote makes sense and I really hope that it comes true. Have you trying using threshold in others software? This is because I disagree with what Liz_A and Crazy_Mr_Zing wrote. In my opinion, there is always something else to improve and it keeps we moving forward, always.
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,999
    edited July 2016
    @tuicarlos ;
    I never did Say I would not like to see Make the Cut Developed Further
    My point is Only the developer can answer the questions you are asking
    Sure we could all speculate on possible reasons why there has been little further development apart from a few bug fixes. Therefore rather than being a productive discussion where you get that answers it appear to evolve onto a public protest based on speculation
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  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    @tuicarlos ;
    I never did Say I would not like to see Make the Cut Developed Further
    My point is Only the developer can answer the questions you are asking
    Sure we could all speculate on possible reasons why there has been little further development apart from a few bug fixes. Therefore rather than being a productive discussion where you get that answers it appear to evolve onto a public protest based on speculation
    @Crazy_Mr_Zing, let me clarify where we are: we are in Forum/Discussions/Wishlist and all the comments here are under Darlenel's post. She came here and posted "Is there any reason to keep wishing?" So some people came here to comment about her question, include me. Nobody here is intending to start a public protest. Nobody here came to fight or protect anyone. We came here just to discuss the issue (non-technical) pointed by Marlenel. This is a place created for all of us... to discuss. Here we can say and we can listen. I'm listen to you but I can't agree with any comment you have posted until now. Sorry!
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  • DarleneIDarleneI Member Posts: 2,742
    Not wanting arguing here.  I still use MTC every day.  It's tracing feature is the best.  I have several other programs that I paid for to see if they compare to MTC.  They do not!  I'd rather put my money on MTC.  I feel like I have more than received my money's worth!  Will shell out more especially if it would cut to my Invue too.

  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    @OldaQuad, sorry, I'm confuse about which software @hwgang is referring to but I think you are overwhelming a little bit the situation. It's not about law... It's a legal precaution. It's about business, evolution, progress, future... You can't ignore this. Ford never promised airbag in his cars and I think that he used the same terms & conditions highlighted by you but he had to update and upgrade his cars to continue selling cars otherwise people could start buying Volkswagen. Perhaps Andy is feeling now some kind of pressure but we'll not bring him to the court for that. LOL!
    Let me be clear... we, on the one side of the river, are asking MTC for an update or an upgrade because we love (I would prefer using another word) this software but we have seen others software getting better and better and MTC is frozen for more than 3 years and we have a wishlist with 655 good ideas to improve the software. On the other side of the river there are some people saying that this software doesn't need to be updated or upgraded. I use computers since 1974 and I can't accept this argument for a software. Andy is a business man. He runs a company and I'm confident that he knows what we are talking about.
  • OldaQuadOldaQuad Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2016
    I think you will find some of the wish list item have been fulfilled. Some are asking for things that already exist they just don't know how to use the feature.
    Are you suggesting proposing that Andy obligated continue to upgrade the software to add more and more features?
    Your Correct make the cut is a business its quite possible the new sales don't warrant time and effort to provide such upgrades. as there is no provision of a income stream from existing users
    I would think the business of craft cutters has change since MTC was created many of the chainstore sold models include a basic design suite in the box allowing the user  create your own designs and the other actively blocked the use or 3rd party softwares
    Draw what conclusions you may from the fact that recently there's be little acknowledgement of the wish list topics and even this discussion which has been active since mid may
    So to answer the original posted question Is there any reason to keep wishing?  probably not while the wishes are not even acknowledged
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  • lonestarlonestar Member Posts: 52
    I still like and use MTC and will continue to do so.  I have however also invested in other software including Corel, CraftnCut and the Business Edition of the Silhouette software to allow me to do the things I need to do with my designs.  I'm probably going to invest in SCAL as well before too long (I enjoy learning software).  I would certainly like to see some updates/upgrades and am disappointed that there is no feedback.  I would willingly pay for an upgrade to MTC.

    I used to recommend MTC to others looking for software alternatives to the Sil software but don't anymore.  This is not because I don't like and use it but mainly because of the fact that there have been no recent updates or upgrades and no feedback as to whether there will ever be one.

    This thread has not felt like an argument to me.  It's a discussion and a good one, in my opinion.
  • tuicarlostuicarlos Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2016
    OldaQuad said:
    I think you will find some of the wish list item have been fulfilled. Some are asking for things that already exist they just don't know how to use the feature.

    Me: I agree but I'm not talking about "some"... I'm talking about 655.

    Are you suggesting proposing that Andy obligated continue to upgrade the software to add more and more features?

    Me: I'm not suggesting to propose nothing about any obligation. We (in the list) are just wishing. Who will obligate Andy to keep his product competitive is the market and you are not thinking about it. I hope that nobody else think the same way because many people would hate to see this software sinking slowly in deep water.   
      
    Your Correct make the cut is a business its quite possible the new sales don't warrant time and effort to provide such upgrades. as there is no provision of a income stream from existing users

    Me: Again, it's not about "following the law"... it's more about a marketing strategy. Who has the best product survives and you should wish having the best tool instead protecting "the creator". I think you are killing him!

    I would think the business of craft cutters has change since MTC was created many of the chainstore sold models include a basic design suite in the box allowing the user  create your own designs and the other actively blocked the use or 3rd party softwares

    Me: I agree! Make the Cut, like some others, opened the doors of the creativity. It's a real tool and not a magic and automatic solution. But even a hammer with its very limited function has been updated from time to time. Am I right?

    Draw what conclusions you may from the fact that recently there's be little acknowledgement of the wish list topics and even this discussion which has been active since mid may

    Me: I'm so sad to say but I know some people just abandoning MTC (and Cricut) and getting Silhouette Studio (and Silhouette Cameo). I talked with some of them and the argument was the same: Silhouette Studio is easy, clean and has everything I need. The gallery of designs is huge, the software is very often updated and the community around the world is growing fast. About the cutters they would prefer Cricut but because Provo Craft's stupid policy Silhouette Cameo became "the best seller".

    So to answer the original posted question Is there any reason to keep wishing?  probably not while the wishes are not even acknowledged

    Me: Fortunately, I disagree with you. I prefer don't underestimate the potential of the ideas in that list. This issue reminds me the movie Groundhog Day with Bill Murray waking up always on the same day. One day he wakes up and says "Something is different." Than Andie MacDowell respond "Good or bad?. He says "Anything different is good."
  • sandyjsandyj Member Posts: 821
    edited July 2016
    Mtc isn't 'just'  a standalone  program anymore, it was also picked to be the operating software for some knk machines.  That comes with more obligations and responsibilities than something you made and don't want to bother with, anymore.  Frankly, I'm surprised that knk hasn't decided to drop mtc in favor of scal, who updates often and includes knk cutters without being asked.  The fact that it was made to work with the force before it was even officially released, and mtc wasn't, says a lot in my book.
    Just MY opinion, your milage will vary. Like "Andy" but with an "S"
  • OldaQuadOldaQuad Member Posts: 18
    Why would I continue wishing when it appears no one is showing any sign they are interested in listening ?
    I agree It would be great so see MTC continue to be upgraded and return to the market leader it once was
    MTC's largest sales driver would have been that you could created personal designs on a machine that the maker actively prevented you doing so we all know what happened there
    I can also understand that it's possible that there is no longer the earning potential to spend time on it . As the income stream for MTC is from New sales in a market that now has many more buyer options at some point a decision would have to be made should hundreds of hours be spent upgrading when quite possibly it would not increase sale enough to warrant the time spent
    Would I pay for an upgrade No. because should I need to do anything that make the cut doesn't do or does not do well I use other software like Inkscape and now AI or PS
    I would wonder how many existing users would make do rather that Pay for an upgrade many have made do with the bugs the the exist software has

    SO where would the new sales come from ?
    Cricuit User NO
    Silhouette User maybe a few
    Pazzles Unlikely to be many until there a plugin even then ?
    KNK Force possibly but there are so many options SCAL won the race so those users would need a good reason to dump scal
  • fivecatmomfivecatmom Member Posts: 3

    I don't usually comment on things but I am going to today.  I have an old software program for designing homes, paid $59 or so 12 years ago.  So I was looking for an update of some sort and I found a new software, could download a trial version. I did and it has SO many things new things I can do. Cost for this software over $1000.  I'll stick with my old one.

    I use PhotoShop Elements and every year a new version comes out with all the bells and whistles, cost is a minimum of $49 if you can get them at Costco before that special is gone.  Usually they are 79 to 99 dollars.  Recently the PS Elements magazine (a digital version) has shut down --they are losing money.

    With my cricuit, I had SCAL years ago, got MTC and have loved it for years.  I got a new Zing machine and MTC software came with it.  I still love it.  I know for what I paid for it I've gotten my moneys worth. 

    The forum has been a big part of MTC. Not many other software products provide as much technical support and help.  I think it is hard after having good support to not have any questions being answered about the direction of the software. 

  • DarleneIDarleneI Member Posts: 2,742
    All of us who bought this MTC software that learned how to use it have gotten our money's worth.  This program has entertained me for hours on end.  Like others have said many things on this wishlist have been implemented.  This program is not how Andy makes a living.  It started out as sort of a hobby.  Another thing I think we may need to consider is scrapbooking is not as lucrative as it was for a while.  The metal dies have taken over machines for a lot of people.  Even I have several of the really intricate ones and I absolutely love the stitched dies that came out.  Our cutters can't get the crisp look some of the dies get.  I'm sixty three yrs old.  I lost one of my best friends recently and she loved scrapbooking.  Her other fiends and daughter don't do scrapbooking.  Every hobby has it's day and then fades away.  

     
  • BobkatBobkat Member Posts: 788
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  • scrappingmom2007scrappingmom2007 Member Posts: 1,425
    I love my MTC and like other have said I got my money's worth.    I love it so much I would be more than willing to pay for a pro version.   I have craft artist 2, scal, PSE 14, but MTC is my go to software.   I have the pazzles vue and the silhouette portrait and still prefer MTC to their software.  My biggest wish is a group function, I would pay for that alone:).
    Pazzles Vue and Silhouette portrait owner.
  • Crazy_Mr_ZingCrazy_Mr_Zing Member Posts: 2,999
    My biggest wish is a group function
    I guess my idea of a group function is different as I'm thinking would moving the said items to a separate layer be similar once there they can be all selected as one and acted upon as a group ?

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