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Question about the Sillhouette...

HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
edited March 2011 in General
I just saw on Jin's FB page that the sillhouette is $189.99. So how good of a cutter is this and does it do print and cut accurately? Can you cut heavy cardstock (Stampin Up) and chipboard. I have never really looked into the craft robo machines but times are a changin' and I want to explore all options. Thanks.
Shelley

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  • galegale Posts: 97Member
    I'm in the same boat. From what I can see it does not cut chipboard (not a big deal for me-I've cut it once, ever). I had a craft robo when they first came out and it cut SU card stock just fine but some have said their silhouette has problems with it. Also keep in mind the Silhouette can only cut up to 8.5 x 11. I just am not sure I use my cutter enough to justify $300 for a Gazelle or even more for the other cutters.
  • galegale Posts: 97Member
    edited March 2011
    Why does it say I have one post? I have posted at least one other time here. :-S

    never mind-it updated. weird.
    Post edited by gale on
  • cknuettelcknuettel Posts: 1Member
    I have a silhouette and I LOVE it! There are few things that really ever bother me that I can't cut bigger then 8/12. It can cut up to 36 inches long without a mat. I do also have the black E that I bought a few years ago at on Black Friday. To be honest, I really only bought it for Life's a Beach and have not really used it that often. My go to machine every time is the Silhouette. Hope that helps!
  • pigtailpatpigtailpat Posts: 1,511Member
    the silhouette's strength is print & cut. It has an optical eye that accurately reads crop marks and there is very little fussing around with getting your paper right for a print & cut. The down side is that it is not yet a native plotter in .mtc, and I have not had too much luck getting the print & cut aspect right in .mtc. Sooner or later, after all the agony is over, Andy will hopefully add this cutter as a native plotter for .mtc, and print & cut will be a delight for the machine in .mtc. Regular cutting in .mtc is possible via print wireframe. I cannot recommend this cutter as a primary cutter, because the lack of cutting width and force make it inadequate as a primary cutter. As a supplemental cutter, to another machine, it is a great addition to your craft tools, and the print & cut from this machine is just wonderful.
    Cuts with Gazelle, PNC with silhouette.
  • HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
    So PnC is good in Sillhouette's native program but not in MTC yet...is that right?
    Shelley
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    Pat, I know you worked long and hard on PnC with the GZ, have you pretty much given up on it for now?
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  • elliott37elliott37 Posts: 1,007Member
    edited March 2011
    Nelda,
    I know you were asking Pat, but I followed her lead and got a Silhouette just for PnC. I've had my Gazelle since last June and never could get the alignment exactly right. A big shout out for Pat - I contacted her before & after i got the Sil. She gave me good solid information and I turned her into a technical specialist after I got it... she kept me from pulling my hair out :)
    Post edited by elliott37 on
    In NC cutting with a Cameo & 18" BC Cougar
  • galegale Posts: 97Member
    When you say 'force' does that mean for thin chipboard and/or other materials heavier than cardstock? I rarely use chipboard and have only cut it once (and I would have been just as happy with using cardstock then-I just wanted to try it) so that wouldn't matter to me. I also have very rarely cut anything wider than 8" but I only scrapbook 8.5 x 11 or mini albums.
  • pigtailpatpigtailpat Posts: 1,511Member
    Happy Mommy - re: cutting SU with the sil - I am really not sure, because all I have cut with the sil is the wonderful Georgia Pacific paper 110 lb paper from sams for print & cuts. The SU paper is my least favorite paper to use for digital cutting. The bazzill is the worst, but SU is an almost tie for first place (for bad cutting paper). I have no idea what it is, I think it is the coating or something. I tend to use my SU paper as plain backgrounds or the base layer for a card trimmed by my guillotine trimmer. I hate cutting SU paper in general. If I have time, I will do a mini test of some SU paper on the sil. My guess is that it will not deliver clean cuts on a single pass, it may take 2 passes. The GP paper from sams is cut clean by the sil on a single pass.

    Nelda - as much as I love my gazzy, I just cannot for the life of me get accurate print & cuts on it. The acrobatics necessary is too much for me and I lack the skill to get it accurate. Now there are plenty of people who get good print & cuts on the gaz, I am not one of them. In this regard, I love my sil, because it has saved my sanity for little cost.

    one more note Happy Mommy - you are correct - print & cut is probably a no go in .mtc at this time. I firmly believe that once the sil becomes a native plotter in .mtc, it can be done there then. At the moment, for print & cuts on the sil, it should be done either from robomaster, silhouette studio, or funtime. I decided to use funtime with the silhouette for print & cuts, as it made sense that anything I have access to on the gaz, can be made available for me on the sil. Robomaster is limited, and silhouette studio is a closed atmosphere for now with not much going for it. I will be doing a very happy dance once the sil is made a native plotter in .mtc. I tested regular cutting on the sil from .mtc (print wireframe), and it is very good - much faster than anything else. But I do not use my sil for regular cutting, my gaz gets all the other regular cutting jobs.

    gale - yes, by force I mean exactly that - this is NOT a cutter for chipboard. The sil has 230 gms of force, which is LESS than an expression. It is a cute little cutter, delivers what I want it to, but anyone picking up a sil should understand the limitations of this machine and not expect much. In addition, there has been rumors circulating that graptec (silhouette america), will release a 12" cutter over the summer. I mention this so that everyone going in to this does so with eyes open and no resentment over a recent purchase and then something new comes out. I am not even sure if the rumors are true, it may never come to pass. I just have no information.

    Hope this helps.

    Pat
    Cuts with Gazelle, PNC with silhouette.
  • CaseysAngelCaseysAngel Posts: 14,967Member
    Beanie has a silhouette you could ask her. I don't think she uses it much to cut though she just uses it for print and cuts with MTC I think. You can talk with her though as I may be wrong.LOL
    Christy http://everdaylittlethings.blogspot.com/
    Cutters: Craft Robo, Cricut Expression, and the absolute BEST A BLACK CAT COUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • PetraPetra Posts: 261Member
    I have an older model of the Silhouette and I cut Stampin Up cardstock with it regularly. I need to have it on max pressure and the pink cap, and I usually manage it with just one pass. If it's taking two passes, it's time to change the blade.

    I also use the Silhouette quite often for cutting heat transfer vinyl - both flocked and smooth - which is a breeze.

    I've only used it a few times from MTC, but when I did, it appeared to be on something performance enhancing as it went waaaaay quicker than using Studio or RoboMaster software.
  • HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
    Thanks for all the information everyone. It does not sound like this one will work for me. I'm very appreciative of the advice and honesty!
    Shelley
  • lylacfeylylacfey Posts: 138Member
    I also use the Silhouette for Print & Cut. I use it for the store. I also use the Silhouette when working in Linux. Those are three greatest strengths for me when using this machine. No machine is dot on for perfect Print & Cut than the Silhouette, CraftRobo or Wishblade. All three of these machines are the same. They are made my Graphtec. CraftRobo's are mainly sold in Europe. Wishblade was sold by Xyron but it's being phased out. If you can get your hands on a cheap one you can still use Silhouette Studio and MTC.

    There is a new blade holder coming out for the Silhouette that will be able to cut chipboard.

    Pat, don't feel bad I have about given up on the Gazelle Print & Cut too. I tried it in MTC & Funtime. Too frustrating. I have come very close. I am a perfectionist about P&C files so too close is still not good enough.

    I agree I think the Silhouette is a good supplemental machine. Nine times out of ten I have seen most users upgrade to a different machine in time. I have seen this since the advent of the blue Wishblade which was years ago. I think going on a decade now.

    HTH!
  • paupau04paupau04 Posts: 4,771Member
    I too love the PNC of the Shilouette. I upgraded to the Gazelle to have a larger cut area with the PNC feature. Haven't tried it.I was also a little disappointed that the Gazelle's PNC was limited to the 12 x 12 area.
    Who's sorry now?...Hell hath no fury as a crafter scorned!!!

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  • edieedie Posts: 52Member
    I have been looking online at the Shilouette mainly because of the PNC I have read about here on the forum. I would love to see some of the PNC projects you ladies have done.
  • BABSBABS Posts: 68Member
    This is just my humble opinion so I hope no one gets mad at me.
    I bought a silhouette. It worked good cutting vinyl. The print and cut feature was great. Cutting cardstock though was horrid. I could never get it to do really great.
    I sold it and bought a Cricut Expression, which does cut much better. I would not have bought the Expression if I could not have had MTC though. I own both cartridges and MTC.
    I wish I would not have sold the Silhouette for no other reason than the print and cut feature. I do miss that and am hoping that the Cougar or one of the other cutters has that feature.
  • juliefesjuliefes Posts: 3,371Member
    While the Silhouette accommodates 8.5" wide paper, it will not cut wider than 7.8" It has an even smaller cutting width when doing Print and Cut projects. While some say that they have cut chipboard with it, this is not recommended. The machine is not rated for cutting anything heavier than 80 lb cardstock. SU paper is about 110. You may be able to cut the stuff, but you risk ruining your stepper motor in the process. The blades wear out very fast. Unless you want to use it for Print and Cut projects in its native software, I don't generally recommend this machine. Its cutting speed is about the same as the E. The E cuts with more pressure. Many people have UPGRADED to the E from Craft Robo, Wishblade, and Silhouette. Those going from E to Silhouette may feel very limited in this "downgrade".

    Evaluate your needs carefully before purchasing a new cutter. Some want to start small and move up. Others want the best from the start. Some may only be able to invest in one cutter for all time. I hate to see people purchase cutters that were not right for them, then have it sitting around gathering dust.

    If the Silhouette suits your needs, go for it!
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  • HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
    Thank you Julie. From the sounds of it the Silhouette is not the right one for me.
    Shelley
  • paupau04paupau04 Posts: 4,771Member
    True on the Shilouette cut size. I know the Graphtec has a true laser optical alignment for PNC.
    Who's sorry now?...Hell hath no fury as a crafter scorned!!!

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  • pigtailpatpigtailpat Posts: 1,511Member
    Edie -

    You said you wanted a sample. I am attaching one. The vase of flowers inside the arched window was done with the silhouette. I sent this card out in January, but if I remember right, I think the vase of flowers was no more than 2" high. It is a very intricate design with alot of "inside" cuts, and the sill did it great. This particular image was ALOT of work, I'm not going to pretend it was simple. But I cut it only once, no waste. All the prep work was worth it.

    image
    arched-window.jpg
    1133 x 1420 - 2M
    Cuts with Gazelle, PNC with silhouette.
  • edieedie Posts: 52Member
    Wow Pat that is beautiful. I think that has convienced me I need or want a Sil. I have a Gazelle. I have tried PNC with Gazelle and Expression and cannot get it right. Thank you
  • lylacfeylylacfey Posts: 138Member
    Julie- I heard Silhouette is releasing a chipboard blade soon. I agree don't cut Chipboard with this machine. I won't even use it with Bazzill.
  • juliefesjuliefes Posts: 3,371Member
    I have never been able to get accurate print and cut projects on the Craft Robo, Wishblade, or Silhouette. This is not necessarily due to the inability of the machine to do it, but my inability to use it properly. I have taught classes for using these machines and have found that getting perfect print and cut projects take LOTS of time and practice. I might be able to get a project to cut perfectly, but redoing it multiple times to get one perfect cut is too trying on my patience. Now, once you figure out how to get the optical readers to work, and then use it regularly, you may get reasonably accurate results every time, as a few people have demonstrated. But the optical readers do not work from MTC. This means learning to use other software.

    You can do print and cut projects with any cutter, given enough time, practice, and repetitions. There are many different ways to accomplish this goal on many different cutters. Tutorials abound.
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  • pigtailpatpigtailpat Posts: 1,511Member
    I thought I made this clear above in my earlier posts, but I will repeat - I have not had much luck on PNC on the sil INSIDE .mtc. Again, this is due to my belief that the silhouette is not yet a native plotter in .mtc. Regular [non-print & cuts] go well in the silhouette in .mtc via print wireframe mode [in fact the cutter cuts so fast that way it is incredible]. The spot on results I have been getting on the silhouette for print & cuts have been outside .mtc. Julie is right in that, at least for now, to get spot on print & cut results for the silhouette, it will be outside .mtc. That might be a deal killer for some. I think it is just a matter of time until when Andy can make this machine a native plotter for .mtc. Then, we'll probably see a vast improvement for print & cuts on the sil inside .mtc.

    I just wanted to post to make sure I was coming across clear on that point.

    Pat
    Cuts with Gazelle, PNC with silhouette.
  • edieedie Posts: 52Member
    A couple of print and cut from the Silhoutte Library. I tried to do this with the Cricut and never could get it right. I think I used enough paper and ink to pay for the sil machine. lolimage
    Capture print and cut with silhoutte.PNG
    754 x 560 - 795K
  • Kalisto546Kalisto546 Posts: 36Member
    Will MTC make the Silhoutte a native plotter in .mtc at some point? i am still trying to figure out which cutter to buy in order to replace my PC
  • KarenPKarenP Posts: 4,028Member
    edited April 2011
    Sorry to read over and over again print and cut on gazelle does not work good. X( even with their own software? I like Funtime ...pnc much easier there than MTC, so if it works there I am Ok.
    Post edited by KarenP on
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  • debzdebz Posts: 3,304Member
    This is just my humble opinion so I hope no one gets mad at me.
    I bought a silhouette. It worked good cutting vinyl. The print and cut feature was great. Cutting cardstock though was horrid. I could never get it to do really great.
    I sold it and bought a Cricut Expression, which does cut much better. I would not have bought the Expression if I could not have had MTC though. I own both cartridges and MTC.
    I wish I would not have sold the Silhouette for no other reason than the print and cut feature. I do miss that and am hoping that the Cougar or one of the other cutters has that feature.
    I think it is important for everyone to express their opinion good or bad about all machines. :-) they all have their pros and cons.

    I use the sil specifically for print and cuts. I haven't used it for anything else so I can't give an opinion on the other stuff. I personally could never get a good pnc on my other machines so I do the reverse way (cut the shape first and then run it through the printer) but I get a great one with the sil.
    Deb
    http://krapikreate.wordpress.com/
    Cutting with 24" KNK Maxx, Silhouette SD, Expression, Cameo, and Zing
    Team KNK Designer
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    I have only cut card stock with my Sil and it cuts better than my CE.

    It also does wonderful PnC (through their software, have not tried with MTC). Setting up the registration marks is easy, and the machine reads then easily. There is some waste of paper, but that is to be expected (a 1/2" off each corner) and it only cuts 8" wide by 39".
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  • debzdebz Posts: 3,304Member
    edited April 2011
    good news. I don't know if any of you are using SCAL, but the new upgrade (which doesn't include the cricut driver but you can have versions 2, which does, and 3 on your computer) works with the sil! I haven't tried it out yet (still recovering from surgery and am bed-bound) but hope to when I am up and about.

    Yay!! I also think (hope) that Andy will do the same thing with MTC... you will be able to run your old mtc that works with cricut with the new mtc which will work with all the other machines (hopefully sil will be included in that).

    The bonus for me is that SCAL runs in Mac so I am making myself use it more and more. I love both programs though and am glad to have the option of using either one for what I need done.

    It will be interesting to see if I can get KNK to run off of SCAL because it will use the black cat driver in mtc. Hopefully I can do the same in SCAL... (but that's a whole 'nother topic)

    But the cool thing about SCAL and sil is that it is easy to import and cut the svgs (which to me is a HUGE limitation in the sil software at this point...)
    Post edited by debz on
    Deb
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    Cutting with 24" KNK Maxx, Silhouette SD, Expression, Cameo, and Zing
    Team KNK Designer
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