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Question about Roland Blades for Cricut...

HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
edited February 2011 in General
Thanks to this forum I am looking into buying Roland blades. It is my understanding that the 45 degree blades are the "normal" cricut blades and the 60 degree blades are the "deep cut" blades. Is that correct? Also, is there an equivalent to the Cricut Cake blades? Thank you for any help.
Shelley
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  • scrappinwithzscrappinwithz Posts: 2,704Member
    Not sure about the Cricut Cake blades but you are correct on the others.
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  • Beanie_ID62Beanie_ID62 Posts: 3,806Member
    I always use the 60* they cut better IMO
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  • HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
    So can you put the 60* blades in the regular housing or the deep cut housing. Soryy if it's a dumb question...
    Shelley
  • SoupGranSoupGran Posts: 176Member
    You certainly can
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    edited February 2011
    I use 60 degree almost all the time, very happy with them, I buy from Seikitech (I think that's the name) off ebay. Quick shipping, good product and good prices. I rarely pay over $2 a blade.

    Oh yeah, I do use them in the regular housing all the time. I have the deep cut housing but it is still in the package.
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  • HappyMommy2_4HappyMommy2_4 Posts: 139Member
    Thank you everyone. I ordered five each of the 45* and 60* from seikitech for $24.49 with free shipping. >:D<

    This board is so awesome...I love that after market items can be discussed freely and opinions are not censored. So nice...Thanks again everyone.
    Shelley
  • ImaCutterImaCutter Posts: 3,168Member
    Nelda, I did order some of these blades on your recommendation. I will be excited to try them. I think or at least hope this will clear up some of my cutting issues where it doesn't always cut cleanly. I got both sizes. Is there a reason why you don't use the deep blade housing? I thought I saw somewhere where someone tried that and the Cricut knew it wasn't right. Do you use the Cricut or have another machine? I get a littl e jealous when I see some of the things people cut out, and all I can seem to get is lots of tearing.
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    Ima, thinner paper is actually harder to cut (without tearing) I have found.

    I have never cut anything that needed the deep blade housing, that is why I have not used it. I believe it lets more of the blade to stick out. You can put either blade in either housing. You will see the difference in how it handles the blade.

    I have cut paper to vinyl to cardstock, but no chip board yet. I bought the deep blade housing on sale when they were getting rid of them at WalMart (I think). I think I paid about $8 for it.

    I still occasionally have trouble with the areas where the blade changes direction (like in the v-cut areas) but that's the only problem I have and they are easy to fix. This is with the E. I do like the fact that I can use these blades in the GZ as well if I want.

    Good luck - I hope this fixes your problems, A new blade can make a big difference.
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  • ImaCutterImaCutter Posts: 3,168Member
    Wow, Nelda, I'll have to mess around with this. I didn't know you could inter-change them. I think the fact that the Roland blades are carbide will help. I tried to see if I could find anywhere online that indicated the the Cricut blades were carbide and had no such luck-- probably because they ARE a lower quality metal. Thanks for sharing the info.
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  • KSGKSG Posts: 1,164Member
    Are The Roland Blades Compatible With The Cougar Machines Too?
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    KSG, I think they are but a Cougar user will have to verify.
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  • ThymeThyme Posts: 2,519Member
    Yes they are compatible with the Cougar silver holder and the Click holder
  • TylerTyler Posts: 850Member
    edited February 2011
    Just a note - while they are compatible, they are not necessarily better. The cougar blades are the best I have seen. They have easily lasted longer than any other blade I have tried before. Really, what it comes down to is you get what you pay for (the only exception to that is the cricut blades).

    Some people would rather get a few high quality blades and others would rather get a bunch of lower quality blades and just plan on replacing them a little more often. It is just personal preference.
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  • CarmenOCarmenO Posts: 1,109Member
    I have all my blades mixed up :-( I have roland cricut 60 and 45. I have never been known for my organizational skills. Is there an easy way to tell them apart?
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  • TylerTyler Posts: 850Member
    roland and cricut blades? I can tell the difference between some of the cougar blades, but not roland and cricut. Sorry. See which one cuts longer - that is probably roland lol
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  • ImaCutterImaCutter Posts: 3,168Member
    All I know is that the Roland blades do fit the Cricut. They are made out of Carbide steel. I couldn't find any info on what the Cricut brand blades are made of. Carbide is a super hard metal. I just got some Roland blades and saw a huge difference in the quality of cut. The last new Cricut blade I used started having issues on the second cut. I did a few different cuts with the new Roland blades even with different materials and each one cut clean and crisp.
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  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    I just received my 60 degree blades from Seikitech from an eBay auction Are these supposed to fit in the regular Cricut housing? I tried to put them in and they do not drop in easily - they have to be pushed in. They seem to be a little thicker than the Cricut ones.

    After they are in, when you turn the dial, there is no difference in the amount of blade showing between number 1 and 6 on the dial. (I did check to make sure there was no debris in the holder). I will try them later in the deep blade holder (I lent mine to a friend). Just curious as I also have 5 more 60 and 5 more 45 on the way.

    I have bought other Roland blades on eBay and they fit the regular holder fine and changed depth when turning the dial. Is there perhaps more than one Roland blade from Seikitech and I got the wrong ones?

  • Angel135612Angel135612 Posts: 4,246Member
    There are different blades and you do need to be careful of which ones you get. Can you take one of the new ones, that doesn't fit, and compare that blade with one that does fit to see if there are any differences? Perhaps they will let you send them back and get the right ones, if there is a difference.
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  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    These are the ones that I got - I just checked and they only have one type of Roland blade listed under their seller name
    5 pack 60 degree Carbide Vinyl Cutter Blades

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    Diameter: 2mm, Length: 24mm, Offset: 0.25mm
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  • melmomelmo Posts: 89Member
    Susan I had the same problem with the 45 degree blades from Seikitech. You cannot adjust the blade depth and they protrude out way too much. They are too thick around I think.
    I will not order from Seikitech again. I will stick to the ones from Hong Kong and just wait longer on the shipping.
  • rachellann_ID714rachellann_ID714 Posts: 10,251Banned
    edited February 2011
    always watch wich ones you get there are several that are very close in size unless you know the correct sizings only order from a direct dealer.

    IE :: Dawn , Sherri, Karen, or from someone who deals in and knows exactly which blades work.
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  • melmomelmo Posts: 89Member
    I have always just ordered the Roland compatible blades and they have always worked, except when I ordered from Seikitech. The specs for them are exactly the same as when I ordered from Hong Kong so I don't know what the problem is.
    I will use the roland blades in my cricut, but will use the better cougar blades when my new cougar arrives.
  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    Memo - can you tell me where you got the ones from Hong Kong?

    Rachellan - I used the link from Nelda's post to order the Roland ones from Seitech. These are the Seitech measurements - Diameter: 2mm, Length: 24mm, Offset: 0.25mm

    The specs are identical to the ones for the Cricut compatible blades that I have seen
    Product Details:
    * Diameter: 2mm (0.078 inch)
    * Offset: 0.25mm (0.009 inch)
    * Compatible with Roland (ZECU 1001, all Roland Camm`'s, CM-12, PVC900/910, CM-24, PNC 1100, 1200/1210, 1400/1410, 1850/1860, 5000, ColorCamm , CAMMJET, PC60, PC600, Mdx 15 diameter 0,2 or 0,3), ANAgraph Express (AE Series), GX-24, GCC Sable, Roland Stika 12, Vinyl Express Panther, Lynx; jsi p-24; US Cutter MH721; Pro Cutter CR-630; US cutter laserpoint; Seiki; Allen Datagraph; Graphityp; Master vinyl cutter, Samurai, Provocraft Cricut and other brand names cutters


    Can you tell me what the correct measurements would be for the ones for the Cricut?

    Thanks for your help.
  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    OK I did a little more testing. It appears Seitech may have a quality control problem.

    I received 5 of the 60 degree blades. 2 of them fit fine in the Deep Blade holder and the blade adjusts the length when you turn the dial. The other 3 will not fit in the holder - they are too thick.

    The 2 that worked in the deep blade holder would fit (tightly) in the regular blade housing, but would not adjust depth when I turned the dial. (Note I have the plastic regular blade holder that came with the black expression - not the green metal one. - I will borrow one of those from a friend to test as well to see if there is a difference)

    So it appears that from the same batch - only 2 of the 5 are the right size. I am going to send them an email and see what they say - as I have 10 more on the way.
  • melmomelmo Posts: 89Member
    Susan the ones I ordered from Hong Kong were from ebay seller kinkishop721.
  • KeshKesh Posts: 33Member
    I couldn't find the specs of the Cricut blades on their package or on their website, so used my vernier caliper and these are the results:

    Diameter (main shaft): 1.9 mm
    Length (total, from tip of blade to tip of main shaft): 23 mm (probably 23.1 but I need my glasses to check the measurement!)

    The above seems to match the specs indicated on eBay by vendor kinkishop721 (see below between dotted lines.


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    http://cgi.ebay.com/5-x-60-Blades-Roland-Vinyl-Cutter-Plotter-needles-/260495212774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ca6b980e6

    Vinyl Blade for Roland

    Qty: 5pcs

    Angle: 60°
    Cemented Carbide Blade for vinyl film
    * High quality and long life
    * Suitable for all Roland machines
    * Blade size: approx. 2mm (D) x 23mm (L)
    * Available angles for different application: 30°, 45° and 60°
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  • SherriSherri Posts: 736Member
    I used to use pazzle blades exclusively as I got much better cuts out of them and they lasted longer than the cricut. When I started to sell the Black Cat and got these blades I never looked back. The problems I had with various blades and the fitting and the cutting I always blamed on the paper, the mat etc. until I started with the blades Dawn sold and those problems went away and I realized it was probably the blades all along. Dawn and I are with all of you..if we could find this good of a blade for a lot less money we would be all over it also. Like Tyler says lots of people would prefer to get more blades to have on hand and change more often but for me realizing the difference I would rather not wonder if it is the blade....I can tell you the blades shipped from overseas are NEVER good.....just my opinion....
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    edited February 2011
    I have noticed any problems with mine (from Seikitech) but I do have a metal blade holder. I wonder if that would make a difference? Does anyone have the plastic for regular and the metal for deep cut and notice a difference with the blades?

    Edited: that should be I have not noticed....
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  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    Nelda - that is what I have. Plastic for regular and metal for deep cut. One of my friends has the original metal regular holder and I am going to test with hers tomorrow. It would not surprise me that the plastic holders (all the newer machines have them) are slightly different, and not as exact and well made as the metal ones.

    However I checked and the other blades I bought on eBay a few months ago, were the ones from Hong Kong mentioned above and they seemed to fit both holders fine. It is just strange that 2 of the 5 work perfectly in the deep blade housing and 3 do not. I usually just keep that one in all the time anyhow since I prefer the 60 degree blades.
  • melmomelmo Posts: 89Member
    I have the regular metal holder, so it's definatley the blades. Like Susan said there must have been a manufacturing error.
  • ImaCutterImaCutter Posts: 3,168Member
    I have a plastic blade holder. I have received two 45 degree blades from two different companies and have tried both in the holder. Both blades have some slight differences from each other to each other and when compared to the Cricut blade, but BOTH worked and cut beautifully. I am waiting on the 60 degree blades which should fit the deep blade housing, so I haven't tried those yet- any day now though.
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  • SydneysMomSydneysMom Posts: 1,860Member
    Went to check my blades from Sekitech. I ordered 15 blades. Of my 45 degree and 60 degree blades only 1 60 degree blade did not fit in my regular plastic blade holder or my deep cut blade holder.
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    It does sound like they may have a bad batch somewhere. I am not sure if ordering from overseas will make a difference. I think they will probably take the bad ones back and shipping is not a problem (just a regular stamp). Has anyone tried contacting Seikitech yet?

    Ima, you can use the 60 degree in the regular holder as well if you want.
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  • susan_ID2293susan_ID2293 Posts: 2,850Member
    edited February 2011
    Nelda - I sent them an email yesterday and am waiting to hear back. I have 10 more already on the way from last week's auction, so hopefully they will work.

    I heard back and they asked me to mail back the ones that didn't fit. I am guessing they will be replacing them. I am going to wait until the other 10 arrive and test those as well.

    So if anyone else bought them from Seitech you should send them a note. They got back to me very quickly.

    Edited to add:

    I just received my second order - 5 of the 45 degree and 5 of the 60 degree. All of them fit fine in my holders. The 60 degree however will only adjust the length in the deep blade holder but that is fine. The 45 degree can be adjusted in both holders.

    So I must have just received a couple of bad ones in my first order.
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  • kittskikittski Posts: 1,339Member
    Thanks for the info Susan. I ordered a package of them and only one fit correctly.
    Nelda, (or any Gazelle user) do you use the Seikitech blades with the adjustable gazelle blade holder?
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    Alicia, I have not cut enough with the GZ yet to need a new blade - and although I have the adjustable blade holders, it is one of the defective ones and I never got around to sending it to be fixed. So not yet.
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  • kittskikittski Posts: 1,339Member
    Thanks Nelda, guess I'll just write Seikitech and see what they say.
    Ya know, I didn't think the adjustable blade would make such a difference but I love it. I need all the help I can get and I'm getting much more consistent cuts now :-)
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  • mskittymskitty Posts: 74Member
    do these work with either of the SIlhouette machines?? TY
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    do these work with either of the SIlhouette machines?? TY
    If you purchase the click blade holder that Sherri has (http://thatsscrapinc.com/clickholder.aspx) then the Roland blades fit in it and you can cut with these in the Silhouette. I have it and it is all I use now (same blade for all my cutters makes it easier). There is also an aluminum blade (you'll have to check the Silouett yahoo groups for a link) that uses Graphtec blades. The holder is less (about $25) but the blades are more.

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  • mskittymskitty Posts: 74Member
    thank you so very much for the help and info....
  • KarenBinPaKarenBinPa Posts: 552Member
    I'm sorry - do the Pazzles Inspiration blades fit in the Lynx as well???
    Karen
  • CynergyDivaCynergyDiva Posts: 5Member
    Sherri I visited your website, and I'm a little confused over the blades. I'm wondering what's different about them that they're so much more expensive than the ones people say they're buying on ebay for so much less. Also, there are a couple of 60° blades on your site that apart from looks I don't know what makes them different enough to be priced differently.

    I noticed that people are saying that the deep cut blades work in the standard housing, but does that mean I can cut thicker stuff without the deep cut housing as well?

    Does anyone know the difference between graphtec and roland blades, and will any of the blade holders work as a deep cut housing in my cricut?

    I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions, but I'm finding this whole blade / housing thing a little confusing.

    Thanks in advance for the help.

    Kimberley
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    Sherri I visited your website, and I'm a little confused over the blades. I'm wondering what's different about them that they're so much more expensive than the ones people say they're buying on ebay for so much less. Kimberley
    Sherri is not on here much any more (if at all), try emailing her through her website.

    From what I remember, she said they are made to tighter specifications and she claimed that they lasted longer. There are also specialty blades (like fabric blades). I do know that the Roland blades that I get are made of carbide and I do feel that they last longer.

    Roland and Graphtec blades are very different and they will not work interchangeably. Graphtec look like this
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  • TeresaRTeresaR Posts: 1Member
    Sorry for joining in. I'm just trying to follow. So which blades are the best ones for the Pazzles Inspiration? The Roland? Thanks ladies!
  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    I do not have a Pazzles so perhaps someone else will answer in specific to your machine. But I do know that the Roland blades from ebay (seikitech) are carbide, and they do work in the cr***t and are better that the cr***t brand blades.
    Sorry for joining in. I'm just trying to follow. So which blades are the best ones for the Pazzles Inspiration? The Roland? Thanks ladies!
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  • Mrs96Mrs96 Posts: 8Member
    Ok - if you get what you pay for and I want some better quality blades for my cricut, what do I get. I am sick of buying the cricut blades 2 at a time after having to make a trip to Joanns with my coupon. Rather get a good deal and good quality (who doesn't :) ??)
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  • neldanelda Posts: 11,637Moderator
    I purchase from Seikitech on ebay. They are shipped from US and I have not had any problems with them. Some have reported that here is a slight difference in the length or width (diameter) of some of their blades, I have not noticed this. They are not expensive, give them a try. If someone else has another source they will probably speak up and tell.
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  • glitteryladybugglitteryladybug Posts: 387Member
    @nelda
    Do you happen to have a link to their store? I've searched for them on ebay and came back with nothing.
    I just put my last blade in the c**cut.

    Thanks,
    Michelle
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  • SusanSSusanS Posts: 206Member
    I tried the Roland blades with my Expression and I did not like them. They did not seem to cut as well as my cricut blades. Maybe it is just me since everyone seems to like them.
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